Prime Time Replay:
Edgar Evans Cayce, Gail Cayce Schwartzer
and Douglas G. Richards
on Edgar Cayce and the Mysteries of Atlantis
MsgId: *high_strangeness(7)
Date: Tue Jun 17 21:59:09 EDT 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Welcome to High Strangeness on Prime Time Live! My name is Patrick Huyghe and I will be the moderator this evening. Our guests this evening are the authors of Mysteries of Atlantis Revisited (St. Martin's Paperbacks, 1997) -- Edgar Evans Cayce ("E" in the interview), Gail Cayce Schwartzer ("G" in the interview) and Douglas G. Richards ("D" in the interview)...
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The American visionary Edgar Cayce (1877-1945) referred to Atlantis about 700 times in his "life readings." These readings mention individual incarnations in Atlantis and the influence of these past lives on the present lives of the individuals getting the readings. The authors of this new book have pieced together Edgar Cayce's psychic clues on Atlantis and looked to the latest findings from archaeology, geology and anthropology for confirmation. What have they learned? We'll find out in just a minute. First, let me introduce you to our guests.
Edgar Evans Cayce is the youngest son of Edgar Cayce. He graduated from Duke University in 1939 with a B.S. in electrical engineering, and is a registered professional engineer in Virginia, He is retired after 43 years of service with the Virginia Power Company. Edgar Evans Cayce is the author of Edgar Cayce on Atlantis and coauthor, with Hugh Lynn Cayce, of The Outer Limits of Edgar Cayce's Power. He is a member of the Board of Trustees of the Edgar Cayce Foundation, the Association for Research and Enlightenment, and Atlantic University.
Gail Cayce Schwartzer is the granddaughter of Edgar Cayce and daughter of Edgar Evans Cayce. She graduated from Ohio State University in 1968 with a B.S. in psychology. She worked with the Edgar Cayce Foundation for 15 years, and is the author of Osteopathy -- Comparative Concepts of A. T. Still and Edgar Cayce.
Douglas G. Richards is Director of Research for Atlantic University in Virginia Beach, Virginia. He has a Ph.D. in biology from the University of North Carolina. In 1976 and 1984 he participated in expeditions to the island of Bimini in the Bahamas in search of the ruins of Atlantis. He is the author of numerous scientific papers, including "Water Penetration Aerial Photography" in the International Journal of Nautical Archaeology and Underwater Exploration.
Now for our first question: There are many stories of Atlantis out there. There's Plato's version, of course, and many many more. How does Cayce's version of Atlantis differ from those presented by everyone else?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(13)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:03:18 EDT 1997
From: Authors At: 206.156.31.126
Cayce talks about 3 destructions instead of 1 -- one at 50,000 B.C.; one at 28,000 and the final at 10,000 BC which probably corresponds to Plato's.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(15)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:04:52 EDT 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Is there anything else unique about Cayce's Atlantis?
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Date: Tue Jun 17 22:08:47 EDT 1997
From: Authors At: 206.156.31.126
High technology existed for 1000s of years.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(18)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:09:30 EDT 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
What do you mean by "high technology"?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(19)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:11:02 EDT 1997
From: Authors At: 206.156.31.126
Lasers, atomic power; flying machines.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(20)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:11:23 EDT 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Wow! Now let's examine the scientific validity of Cayce's version of Atlantis. How do his statements about Atlantis fit into the concepts of modern science?
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Date: Tue Jun 17 22:14:18 EDT 1997
From: Authors At: 206.156.31.126
Evidence is accumulating that there was a civilization in Cayce's time frame. For example, the Egyptian pyramids, which Cayce said were built around 10,500 BC, are indeed that old, based on the archaeoastronomy of Robert Bauval, who has shown that the pyrmids point to the postion of Orion in 10,500 BC. Cayce said that Atlanteans fleeing the destruction were involved in the pyramid construction. Geologist Robert Schoch has found evidence that the Sphinx may also be that old, based on water erosion evidence.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(27)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:19:00 EDT 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
So the Atlanteans were responsible for building the pyramids? I'm sure the Egyptians are not happy about that! Is there any more geological evidence that supports Cayce's vision of Atlantis?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(32)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:22:54 EDT 1997
From: Authors At: 206.156.31.126
Yes. The Russians have some evidence of above water land on the now-submerged mid-Atlantic ridge. A book by Russian geologist N. Zhirov has over 800 references. Most are by Russians and East Europeans, so they are not in English. Cayce's choice of Bimini as the last part above the waves agrees with current geological opinion on the melting of the glaciers in 10,000 BC. Cayce also spoke of pole shifts around the time of the Atlantis destructions, and there is evidence of magnetic pole excursions arround 28,000 BC and 10,500 BC, which we discuss in the book. The remaining challenge is to find clear underwater evidence of civilization.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(42)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:29:13 EDT 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
The Atlantic is a large place -- though admittedly largely unexplored. How do you plan to go about searching for this underwater evidence? Just how large a place was this "Atlantis"?
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Date: Tue Jun 17 22:30:18 EDT 1997
From: Authors At: 206.156.31.126
A group led by D and by Dr. Joan Hanley of Florida has been exploring near Bimini for several years. Side-scan sonar has revealed anomalies at the edge of the gulf stream drop-off, in about 130 feet of water -- just where Cayce said to look. Some of the anomalies look like building foundations, but we will need to dive on them to confirm this. This area would have all been above water in 10,000 BC. The challenge is to find funding for serious exploration. There may well be remains in deeper water, like on the mid-Atlantic ridge, but that would be even more expnsive to explore. Cayce said that a chamber with records of Atlantis would be found near the Sphinx in Egypt. There is an ongoing expedition exploring this possibility.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(56)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:37:42 EDT 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Cayce said that the best places to find evidence of Atlantis were Egypt, Yucatan and Bimini. What has the Yucatan revealed so far?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(57)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:38:48 EDT 1997
From: Authors At: 206.156.31.126
No one is exactly sure where in Yucatan Cayce meant for people to look. There was an expdition in 1933 that may have been the one he was referring to at Piedras Negras. But they weren't looking for Atlantean artifacts, and no one is sure what may have been found. I don't know of anyone who has specifically explored based on the Cayce readings.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(62)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:41:38 EDT 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
So you're saying that Cayce usually provided very specific details in his readings relating to Atlantis?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(63)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:42:43 EDT 1997
From: Authors At: 206.156.31.126
The most specific were about Egypt, then about Bimini. For Egypt, he said there would be a passage from the right paw of the Sphinx, and that is what is now being explored with seismic sounding equipment. For Bimini, he said to make a geological survey along the Gulf Stream near Bimini, which is what we did last summer with side scan sonar. But he didn't give nice latitude and longitude coordinates. Most of the readings were not given for explorers, so there was information about past lives, but not much specific scientific information.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(71)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:46:35 EDT 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
But where is all the high technology of the Atlanteans? The "ancient ones" that science speaks of all used Stone Age technologies?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(72)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:48:06 EDT 1997
From: Authors At: 206.156.31.126
This is definitely a problem. The most evidence for tchnology is probably in Egypt. No one knows how the pyramids were built, or how the Egyptians knew astronomy like Bauval says. They apparently knew the 26,000 year cycle of precession of th equinoxes, and mappd it in the pyramids and Sphinx. We dicsuss Bauval's work at length in our book. Meanwhile, there may be more to find underwater and under the sand in front of the Sphinx.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(79)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:51:46 EDT 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
But isn't there so much data in science -- much of it contradictory -- that you can pick and choose whatever scientific data you want to support Cayce's theory on Atlantis, can't you?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(80)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:53:18 EDT 1997
From: Authors At: 206.156.31.126
Sure. That's why more exploration will hopefully come up with some incontrovertible artifacts. A chamber of records in front of the Sphinx will be hard to deny, as will good solid buildings 130 feet underwater. But it is certainly true that the evidence to date does not "prove" Atlantis. But we point out in the book that many of Cayce's statements, which seemed unlikely in the 1930s, are now mainstream belief. For example, just a few months ago, the archaeology community agreed that Monte Verde in Chile dates back before Clovis in North America, consistent with Cayce's statements about the antiquity of man in North America. At the time Cayce gave the reading, mainstream opinion was that man was at most 2000 years old in the Americas. Cayce's talk of migrations before 10,000 BC sounded crazy, but is now well-accepted. The question is, did they come from Atlantis? This is where we don't have proof yet, but the explorations in Egypt and Bimini have the potential of provding some.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(90)
Date: Tue Jun 17 22:59:51 EDT 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Have any details of Cayce's readings on Atlantis been proved definitely wrong?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(93)
Date: Tue Jun 17 23:03:42 EDT 1997
From: Authors At: 206.156.31.126
Not specifically on Atlantis, but he did make errors. See book The Outer Limits of Edgar Cayce's Power by HL and EE Cayce. About 200 out of 14,000 seemed to be wrong. The treasure hunting readings were not successful at all, but 200 out of 14,000 is a pretty good average. Time will tell about the Atlantis readings, and lots of exploration. Meanwhile, our book has quite a lot of documentation about what is known so far.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(102)
Date: Tue Jun 17 23:07:34 EDT 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
We could go on for hours, but I'm afraid that we've run out of time. Thank you very much Edgar Evans Cayce, Gail Cayce Schwartzer, and Douglas G. Richards--the authors of Mysteries of Atlantis Revisited--for being with us tonight. For High Strangeness, this is Patrick Huyghe. Goodnight all!
MsgId: *high_strangeness(103)
Date: Tue Jun 17 23:09:06 EDT 1997
From: Authors At: 206.156.31.126
Goodnight from E, G and D! and thanks.
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