Prime Time Replay:
Psychic Ingo Swann
on Apparitions of the Virgin Mary
MsgId: *high_strangeness(13)
Date: Tue Dec 17 21:59:59 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
Hello, everyone! Welcome to High Strangeness on Prime Time Live. My name is Patrick Huyghe and our guest this evening is Ingo Swann. Ingo will be speaking on the subject of Marian Apparitions. As most of you already know, Ingo is a man of many talents. After completing college with majors in both art and biology, Ingo served in the Army and saw service in Korea. Afterwards he worked for several Offices in the United Nations....
MsgId: *high_strangeness(14)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:00:40 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
But we know Ingo best for his art and his remote viewing work. His striking paintings are displayed in the Smithosonian and elsewhere. And he is the prime developer of the remote viewing technique. His how-to book on the subject is called Everybody's Guide to Natural ESP. Also be sure to check out his web page called Superpowers of the Human Biomind at ...
MsgId: *high_strangeness(15)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:01:29 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
http://www.mindspring.com/~biomind/Pages/Superpowers.html But tonight we will talk to Ingo about his latest book, The Great Apparitions of Mary: An Examination of 22 Supranormal Appearances, just published by Crossroad in New York. The phenomenon of Marian apparitions seems to be a radical departure for you Ingo. How did you come to write this book?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(16)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:03:26 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
MsgId: *high_strangeness(17)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:04:13 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.145
I could find no complete listing of the major apparitions of the Holy Mother. So, I researched over 500 sources in order to accumulate information on them, and in the end wrote this book.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(18)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:05:33 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
You wrote about 22 Marian apparitions. Obviously there are many more. How do you definite a "great" one?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(19)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:07:12 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.145
There are about 20 more which might qualify as Great. I defined the criteria I used to select those I placed those I placed in the book. The criteria are given in the book. There were seven parts to the criteria. ....
MsgId: *high_strangeness(20)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:07:36 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.145
The major criterion is induring historical impact.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(21)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:08:39 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
I notice that Mary just made the cover of this month's issue of Life Magazine. Why the popular interest now?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(22)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:10:04 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.145
I don't really know, but interest increases in intensity when vast amounts of people are increasingly uncertain and under stress, and they tend to turn to traditional resources for hope. ...
MsgId: *high_strangeness(23)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:10:49 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.145
This may oo may not be the answer. In fact, we are dealing with a topic which has neither proper answers nor proper questions.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(24)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:11:52 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
The Marian phenomenon involves 3 factors: the appearance, the predictions, and the miraculous cures...
MsgId: *high_strangeness(25)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:12:29 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
Are most of the appearances "speaking" or "non-speaking"?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(26)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:13:51 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.145
Most of the major apparitions are speaking ones, but the few non-speaking ones seem to have equal impact because of their enormous beauty.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(27)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:14:34 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
What does the speaking, the message, usually consist of?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(28)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:15:58 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.145
Admonishments that humans are not behaving correctly in terms of their appitudes of kindness, good, health and wellfare of everyone.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(29)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:16:41 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
And there are predictions as well. What are they about?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(30)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:18:41 EST 1996
From: guest At: 205.180.153.29
You are a remote viewer, have you remotely viewed the Blessed Virgin?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(31)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:19:26 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.145
Some few predictions concern local matters. Those predictions usually are seen as true within a short period of time. Occasionally, the Holy Mother speaks in terms of distant future apocalypse. The Great Apparition at La Salette in 1846 delivered an apocalypse, details of which concern the deterioration of the eco-sphere and bio-sphere, and the deterioration is apparent today.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(32)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:20:24 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
You want to take a shot at the question in MsgID 30?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(33)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:21:35 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.145
I take it that this interview is about my book concerning the Holy Mother. I wish to stick exclusively to that topic.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(34)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:22:03 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.145
MsgId: *high_strangeness(35)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:22:21 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
Okay...I take it you don't mix the topics then. I'll go on...
MsgId: *high_strangeness(36)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:23:09 EST 1996
From: guest At: 205.180.153.29
What do you feel is in the third message of Fatima? And being psychic do you have any feelings on this yourself?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(37)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:23:16 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
You spoke of the beauty of some of the apparitions. What do you mean by this? Obviously it's not a Cindy Crawford sort-of-thing.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(38)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:25:28 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.155
In the chapter dealing with Fatima I give verbatim the statement made in Germany by the Pope indicating that the third message will not be revealed. It is not my wish to introduce my personal speculations into the honorable and wonderful dramas of the apparitions since I have made every effort to present only their historically recorded facts. ....
MsgId: *high_strangeness(39)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:26:28 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.155
I can't see that my personal viewpoints are meaningful within the vast panorama the apparitions consist of.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(40)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:27:26 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
And my question about "beauty" in message 37?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(41)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:28:02 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.155
I made a great effort to try to incorporate descriptions of the Great Beauty in the book. I may have failed, but I tried my best.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(42)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:29:09 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
No, no, I just hoped you might share it with viewers. Call it a tease for the book.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(43)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:29:11 EST 1996
From: guest At: 205.180.153.29
Which Pope are you speaking of here? Do you have any answers as to why the Church will not speculate on thi secret? Is it because we are close to finding out???
MsgId: *high_strangeness(44)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:30:30 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.155
The present Pope who gives his own reasons in the book.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(45)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:31:42 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
How do theologians regard these Marian visions? No always positively?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(46)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:33:14 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
Here at about the half-way mark in our chat, I'd like to remind viewers who have tuned in late that we are talking with Ingo Swann on Marian visions and his book The Great Apparitions of Mary. If you want to catch the interview from the beginning insert "100" into the "history size" box at the bottom of the page.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(47)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:33:57 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.155
The theological difficulties are a pronounced factor regarding most of the Great Speaking Apparitions, since the Lady frequently delivers commentary which is upsetting. Thus, the theological difficulties are a significant part of the apparitional sequence.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(48)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:34:29 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
Has the Church ever tried to censor these events?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(49)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:34:41 EST 1996
From: guest At: 205.180.153.29
Mr. Swan I feel you're being evasive with your questions! But I will read your book...Ijust feel that when Mary gave these messages to the children at Fatima she wanted mankind to know!
MsgId: *high_strangeness(50)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:36:27 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.155
Yes, several times, and successful so in some cases. However in the 1960's Pope Paul issued a Bull indicating that there would be no more censorship and that the faithful were free to study the apparitions as a matter of faith, but not a matter of theology.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(51)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:37:32 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
Are there any genuine photos of Marian apparitions? And if so, do they show anything more than a blob of light?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(52)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:38:35 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.155
Yes, I agree with you. There have been many claimed revelations of the secret third message. Since most of them deal with different topics, there authenticity is much in doubt. I certainly don't know what the real third message is, although I would like to very much.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(53)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:41:05 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.155
The apparition, the very wonderful apparitions at Zeitoun, Eqypt in 1968 was photographed by hundreds of cameras. Although some blobs of light are visable, the figure of the Lady is unmistakable, and further more she walked around the roof and was photographed from many angles. ...
MsgId: *high_strangeness(54)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:41:19 EST 1996
From: guest At: 204.183.100.18
Ingo: I just found out about this interview. Will there be a full transcript of it available anywhere later?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(55)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:42:21 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.155
Her arm movements were clearly identifable, as was her head when she bowed it to the 1/4 million people surrounding the church there.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(56)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:43:38 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
Does this photographic evidence force a reconsideration of what this phenomenon represents?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(57)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:44:35 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
Note to guest: at the end of the interview increase the "history size" at the bottom of the page to 100, and you can save the interview to your hard drive.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(58)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:44:58 EST 1996
From: guest At: 205.180.153.29
I heard Fr. Malachy Martin on a talk show recently and he made a comment that I feel had some bearing on the 3rd message. The talk show host said that Fr. Martin made a comment (very emphatically) to keep your eyes on the sky perhaps in the spring of '97. Also can you relate anything on Mary's message of the 3 days of darkness!
MsgId: *high_strangeness(59)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:45:24 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.155
I make a great argument on behalf of this highly desirable reconsideration. The facts of the events truly need to be re-evaluated from other than a skeptical viewpoint. I hope this re-evaluation does take place in the future. ...
MsgId: *high_strangeness(60)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:47:45 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.145
If the Great Apparitions are viewed as events independently from belief or disbelief then certain factors stick out like magical indications that there is more to existance than can be conceptualized in our usual limited terms. It was this that promoted me to write about the apparitions as events the way I have in my book.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(61)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:48:47 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
So what is you "take" on the Marian phenomenon? Is it strictly "Catholic"?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(62)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:51:34 EST 1996
From: guest At: 168.121.153.169
Ingo: Who do you think She is?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(63)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:51:35 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.145
The Holy Mother clearly states that she is the Mother of all on Earth. Some of the apparitions I've included in the book occured under what might be called Coptic and Greek Orthodox auspices. Some apparitions I was unable to include took place under Communist auspices. I personally take her word that she is the Mother of all.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(64)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:52:46 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
3 of the 22 apparitions you discuss in your book took place in 1966. Is there any significance to this date?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(65)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:53:00 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.145
I think she is whom she says she is: the Intercessor between men and women and her Son.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(66)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:53:41 EST 1996
From: guest At: 168.121.153.169
Ingo: Do you think She and the biological mother of Jesus are one and the same?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(67)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:56:40 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.145
Two of the apparitions took place in 1933, two took place in 1949, two took place in 1981. Three may have taken place also at these times, but have not been visably entered into the record. The frequency of the Great Appearances averages about 12 years, and during this time there are many minor apparitions which also take place. So I don't read anything special into the 1966 date. Furthermore, since 1938 most of the Great Speaking Apparitions have gone on intermittently for a number of years.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(68)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:57:16 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
One last question...
MsgId: *high_strangeness(69)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:57:22 EST 1996
From: guest At: 204.183.100.18
Moderator: what is your page's policy toward giving permission to make the text of this interview available from my home page, or via email, if people should request it?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(70)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:57:55 EST 1996
From: guest At: 205.244.121.52
mr. swann: what do you mean by theological difficulties?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(71)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:58:11 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
The last two apparitions you mention--Yugoslavia and Rwanda--were followed by great tragedies. Why do you think?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(72)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:58:22 EST 1996
From: guest At: 168.121.153.169
Ingo, your website is fantastic...!
MsgId: *high_strangeness(73)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:59:07 EST 1996
From: swann At: 152.163.231.145
The appearing Lady often refers to her Son as the Savior. There are theological intricacies involved regarding your question. I personally have not been able to work through my way through these even with the eccliasticial guidance so kindly given to me in the past.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(74)
Date: Tue Dec 17 22:59:58 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
Guest: please forward your request for use of this interview to the editor of OMNI: pam.weintraub@generalmedia.com
MsgId: *high_strangeness(75)
Date: Tue Dec 17 23:00:44 EST 1996
From: Moderator At: 206.80.182.217
Thank you, Ingo (and Elly for helping out) for a fascinating interview. If any viewers are interested in this topic I would highly recommend Ingo Swann's book: The Great Apparitions of Mary. You can order the book from 1-800-395-0690. That's all for the interview portion of High Strangeness, but everyone is welcome to stick around for the open chat that follows. For High Strangeness, this is Patrick Huyghe. Goodnight!
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